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	<title>Comments on: Sagging spirit of India-Pak dialogue</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 15:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rahim Khanayzham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahim Khanayzham</dc:creator>
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		<description>Pakistan is faced with a Hobsons Choice. It either signs and gets denigrated at home for all the anti-India propoganda it put out, or refuses to sign and gets downgraded as a supporter of Islamic fundamentalists who act with impunity from its soil. Neither is acceptable to the rulers of Pakistan, so we wait for them to make up their  mind. Good enough. Hope the decision they make is positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan is faced with a Hobsons Choice. It either signs and gets denigrated at home for all the anti-India propoganda it put out, or refuses to sign and gets downgraded as a supporter of Islamic fundamentalists who act with impunity from its soil. Neither is acceptable to the rulers of Pakistan, so we wait for them to make up their  mind. Good enough. Hope the decision they make is positive.</p>
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		<title>By: rob tattner</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob tattner</dc:creator>
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		<description>Please don't forget lack of any progress on the Mumbai attacks case. Not to mention the main accused is free to do as he pleases. You basically want India to bend over. Sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t forget lack of any progress on the Mumbai attacks case. Not to mention the main accused is free to do as he pleases. You basically want India to bend over. Sick.</p>
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		<title>By: R S Chakravarti</title>
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		<dc:creator>R S Chakravarti</dc:creator>
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		<description>What if we had not occupied Siachen in 1984 and the Pakis had done it? Neither you nor I would have preferred it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if we had not occupied Siachen in 1984 and the Pakis had done it? Neither you nor I would have preferred it.</p>
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		<title>By: shilpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>shilpy</dc:creator>
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		<description>peace with pakistan can only be had if pakistanis stop pretending they are decendants of moghuls.  the day they accept the verifiable truth that they are the decendants of their unfortunate hindu forebears who converted to islam under duress, it will help them make a transition to a secular state and then peace will come automatically without any diplomats' efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peace with pakistan can only be had if pakistanis stop pretending they are decendants of moghuls.  the day they accept the verifiable truth that they are the decendants of their unfortunate hindu forebears who converted to islam under duress, it will help them make a transition to a secular state and then peace will come automatically without any diplomats&#8217; efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibne Ashfaque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ibne Ashfaque</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thanks for an interesting analysis. The corporate entities are the heavy weights who through lobbyists influence American and British national policies and India appears to be moving on the same trajectory. Hence, its most likely that inspite of some aberrations due to circumstantial limitations (such as oil from Iran) India will more or less tow the American line. Pakistan's elite is drifting away from America, certainly not by choice . American priorities have changed as well as circumstances in Afghanistan have changed. The  Afghan end game will influence the destiny of South East Asia as it has historically always done except for the arrival of the British from Bengal which was a historical aberration.

Ideally speaking nuclear powered India and Pakistan should exclude war as an option. We both can destroy one another in a nuclear holocaust and there will be no victor and vanquished. Hence the logical thing is to focus exclusively to improve socio-economic outcomes of more than 1.5 billions souls who inhabit this part of the planet.

The chinese threat to India is a red herring and India can take on Pakistan anytime in a conventional war. Hence, logically for India and Pakistan the only option is to focus on socio-economic development. However, global corporate interests are too strong in both Pakistan as well as the largest democracy (India) of the world to leave the world's 1.5 billions souls in peace.    

Strategically speaking since conventional war nor nuclear war is feasible, my peep into the future suggets two options, either both Pakistan and India choose peace or both will go in the direction of a treacherous and tragic assymetric war. If current peace talks do not bear fruit we may slide towards  the other option. The intellectuals of both the countries owe it to their people to establish peace between Pakistan and India. Have we not suffured enough? This maybe our last chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for an interesting analysis. The corporate entities are the heavy weights who through lobbyists influence American and British national policies and India appears to be moving on the same trajectory. Hence, its most likely that inspite of some aberrations due to circumstantial limitations (such as oil from Iran) India will more or less tow the American line. Pakistan&#8217;s elite is drifting away from America, certainly not by choice . American priorities have changed as well as circumstances in Afghanistan have changed. The  Afghan end game will influence the destiny of South East Asia as it has historically always done except for the arrival of the British from Bengal which was a historical aberration.</p>
<p>Ideally speaking nuclear powered India and Pakistan should exclude war as an option. We both can destroy one another in a nuclear holocaust and there will be no victor and vanquished. Hence the logical thing is to focus exclusively to improve socio-economic outcomes of more than 1.5 billions souls who inhabit this part of the planet.</p>
<p>The chinese threat to India is a red herring and India can take on Pakistan anytime in a conventional war. Hence, logically for India and Pakistan the only option is to focus on socio-economic development. However, global corporate interests are too strong in both Pakistan as well as the largest democracy (India) of the world to leave the world&#8217;s 1.5 billions souls in peace.    </p>
<p>Strategically speaking since conventional war nor nuclear war is feasible, my peep into the future suggets two options, either both Pakistan and India choose peace or both will go in the direction of a treacherous and tragic assymetric war. If current peace talks do not bear fruit we may slide towards  the other option. The intellectuals of both the countries owe it to their people to establish peace between Pakistan and India. Have we not suffured enough? This maybe our last chance.</p>
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		<title>By: sankar</title>
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		<dc:creator>sankar</dc:creator>
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		<description>This is shame for our country. Our Defence Minister should only talk to equally designated Defence minister of Pakistan. Not with Pak'army chief.

Moreover - Army chief's view would be different from politicians view. So, if India needs to talk to Paki's army chief - then talk thru proper channel ie, thur our army chief. So, our army chief will certainly find paki's hidden agenda easily. But defence minister cannot find it easily as he is  a politician, not army cadre who visited all borders of our nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is shame for our country. Our Defence Minister should only talk to equally designated Defence minister of Pakistan. Not with Pak&#8217;army chief.</p>
<p>Moreover - Army chief&#8217;s view would be different from politicians view. So, if India needs to talk to Paki&#8217;s army chief - then talk thru proper channel ie, thur our army chief. So, our army chief will certainly find paki&#8217;s hidden agenda easily. But defence minister cannot find it easily as he is  a politician, not army cadre who visited all borders of our nation.</p>
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